Pelik juga bila tengok cara malaysiakini.com melaporkan kes Lina Joy ni. Sensasi atau disensasikan. Ah tapi mungkin kerana dah biasa dengan sikap editor-editor mereka yang anti-melayu dan Islam tu maka saya dah mangli dah nak komen.
Tetapi, sekiranya lah nak berlaku perselisihan faham lagi antara kaum-kaum di Malaysia ni, laporan-laporan yang persis ini lah yang akan menjadi pencetus.
Bentuk laporan yang cuba mensensasikan perkara-perkara yang sensitif, dan yang boleh membakar perasaan orang ramai. Bagi saya corak laporan seperti ini agak memualkan dan bersifat berat sebelah.
Saya secara peribadi berpendapat, banyak pihak yang tersalah faham tentang apa yang sedang dibicarakan. Lina Joy, pada dasarnya ingin membuang perkataan Islam di dalam mykad. Tetapi tidak dibenarkan oleh JPN.
Alasan yang diberikan oleh JPN adalah, dapatkan surat dari Mahkamah Syariah. Si Lina Joy ni, mungkin tak nak ke Mahkamah Syariah lalu terus ke mahkamah sibil.
Dalam isu ini, Lina Joy kenalah ikut peraturan, mesti ke Mahkamah Syariah dan dapatkan perintah yang mengakui dia dah murtad. Itu adalah langkah yang sepatutnya! Yang semua nak heboh tentang kebebasan beragama ni apa hal? banyak ke gereja-gereja, kuil-kuil dan berhala yang kena roboh oleh kerajaan? Setahu saya, yang dirobohkan hanya kuil-kuil dan berhala yang didirikan secara haram saja yang dirobohkan.
Ada ke Lim An Chong yang kena paksa masuk Islam? ke Muniasamy yang dipaksa?
Kenapa yang semua orang meraskan its time to bash the muslim again? Come on lah, kita muslim pun tak nak Lina Joy tu. Nak sangat ambik lah.
Tapi jangan cuba menyimbah minyak ke api yang kecil sekali pun, ia akan terbakar besar dan membakar anda semula...
Thursday, May 31, 2007
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I think you are purposely trying to make it sensitive so that you can maintain the situation where no one questions you. Hello we are talking about freedom of worship. All she did was file a compliant in court. What did your friends do, they formed 80 groups and rallied in front of the court to imply violence if you don't get your way. Where is the true muslim here?
Saudara,
Saya sebagai orang Islam pun malu. Bukan malu atas keputusan mahkamah, itu hal lain, tapi malu dengan perangai pihak tertentu yg buat bantahan di depan mahkamah tu. Untuk apa tu? Bukan main api lagikah tu?
Andai kata keputusan sebaliknya, penunjuk perasaan kat depan mahkamah tu akan hanya beristigfarkah?
Expressing Feelings is Not a Sin.
You said it yourself.
I believe Lina Joy did just that and she should not be punished by law nor society but by God.
Would you like to be punished for blogging when it is your right to voice your opinions? Should it matter that she is Muslim? What about her right as a human being?
Those people overlook the matter, they are mostly those who have a religion and can't see beyond the objectivity in having secular laws.
Stop thinking how this affects the religion, it won't die overnight. But for Lina, her right to choose her religion and life a fulfilled life have all gone. With that in mind, do you have a conscience to say 'Islam pun tak nak dialah' to a fellow human being regardless of her religion? What would Allah say?
Expressing Feelings is Not a Sin.
You said it yourself.
I believe Lina Joy did just that and she should not be punished by law nor society but by God.
Would you like to be punished for blogging when it is your right to voice your opinions? Should it matter that she is Muslim? What about her right as a human being?
Those people overlook the matter, they are mostly those who have a religion and can't see beyond the objectivity in having secular laws.
Stop thinking how this affects the religion, it won't die overnight. But for Lina, her right to choose her religion and live a fulfilled life have all gone. With that in mind, do you have a conscience to say 'Islam pun tak nak dialah' to a fellow human being regardless of her religion? What would Allah say?
What the purpose to force someone do something they are not willing? This is how your "bible" teach? Everyone have their freedom and right to do anything as long as not hurt any others and we have to respect it. But don't know why some people wantto make it become more complicated then be an issue and I believe it cann't found in any "bible".
If to syariah court is an option, I believe she would do it. To common knowledge, there's ain't any syariah court in Malaysia that allows apostasy. (note: I read it somewhere that negeri sembilan is an exception, but to be confirmed)
before you make a statement, make sure itself is fair, else it will only be ridiculed.
a racist like you will definitely end up in HELL no matter what religion you are...
cause you dont have the very basic sense of caring for another human who is distress regardless of their origin.
so dont bother praying..
it doesnt gonna make any different to you anyway...
"Dalam isu ini, Lina Joy kenalah ikut peraturan, mesti ke Mahkamah Syariah dan dapatkan perintah yang mengakui dia dah murtad"
lu cakap pun tak serupa bikin laa..
dia sudah mengaku dia murtad apa mau lagi...bangang..!!lu ingat itu mahkamah syariah mau kasi dia lepas ka...
apa dia buat memenag betul..sebab dlm rukun negara itu ada ajar..keluhuran perlembagaan..bukan keluhuran sharia..c*nt!(org melayu tak payah ikut rukunegara kot..!)
dan perlembgaan di bawah cibil court
tolong keluar kan kepala hotak hang yg tersepit kat dubur hang tu..!....atau biar jee laa kat sana
check my email to you.
aloysius
Wake up to civilisation idiot, freedom is a fundamental RIGHT for EVERYONE! You Muslims just don't get it do you? The lot of you have been missing the point for 1400 years! EVERYONE has a right to CHOOSE whatever religion or whomever they want to worship. STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS! If Islam is so great why are all the Muslim countries stuck in the dark ages in poverty? And don't give me Malaysia as an example of a modern Muslim country, cos if it wasn't for the chinese and the indians you 'bumiputeras'will be wallowing in poverty like Kelantan. Instead of the Twin Towers you'll be having the twin dome MADrasah!
Remember Raja Petra said: More than 90% of malays were actually non-Muslims, because they don't follow the teaching of Islam.
Can a true Muslim prohibit another Muslim to build a mosque? Any part of koran said to build a mosque for the Chinese Muslims is haram? Another Malaysia Boleh one story yah?
I firmly believe, when I die and go to hell, I will meet many "Malaysian Muslims" there, all the munafik who used Islam not for them to be closer to God, but for their idiotic, selfish and vicious self-interest.
More classic examples of half-past-six mentalities displayed by the present so-called leaders, ministers, and worst of all politicians (monkey-brain), bad for the nation but good for those who knows how to take advantage of their stupidity.
Religion alone can never help us to become more clever and smart, especially with the present attitude and style of the malays, who are going backwards more and more, and heading for the caves and jungles in time to come.
In Malaysia the constitution is not the supreme document in law. It has been so trampled by the Umno gangsters; it has come to a point where these gangsters are a law unto themselves. To them the constitution is respected when it suits their intents and toilet paper when it does not.
Mob rule is tolerated by the police when it is an Umno orchestrated mob. Non-Umno gatherings are an inconvenience and clobbered to pulp.
Malaysia is dead as a nation. They are dying to call this land Tanah Melayu so we might as well let them destroyed it. It is no loss to the non-malays since they are treated as pendatang anyway.
Let these gangsters plunder and rob their own kind. They are notorious for inbreeding in any case. They would probably enjoy devouring their own kind too. Crooks and hypocrites at the helm will never grow a nation. Only chaos and disaster beckon.
I wish it were different, but I have long since decided they deserve what they get. No point in banging my head against the wall.
If you are to do a study among all Muslim countries, the level of development will be directly proportional to the level of Islamisation of the country.
Just do a study - you will know the fact. The reasons are so obvious why this is so. I do not want to elaborate here to hurt the feelings of Muslims but I mention just two:
- they sidelined the women.
- how many Muslim nations are in deep religious based wars?
- and plus many other activities against productivity.
You cannot have it both ways. Live in this world or live in the after world. There is time only for one.
This is why I see very bleak future for Malaysia the way it is heading - the day when we 'Talibanise' Malaysia.
Our constitution does not say we are a secular state. But by the same token, nowhere does it say we are an Islamic state either.
A country can be Islamic but yet remain secular in government. Turkey, Egypt and Algeria are prime examples. As long as the constitution remains the supreme law of the land, we are an Islamic country but a secular state.
All these are really non-issues as long as everybody sticks to the original game plan.
Look at it one way, it seems like they want to keep the NEP because they are taking advantage of perks and curbs, keep the Umno linked filthy rich.
First of all, the NEP has no goodwill towards the non-malays. They think that the non-malays are rich and can afford to run overseas because of the drought of local university places available?
This is another fallacy. Truth is a lot of the non-malay parents have to work their asses off, keeping a small unit family, just to use all their savings to finance education overseas because local opportunities are not forthcoming and not available.
Malaysia lose a lot of talents in such a way, especially when the NEP has indeed made certain non-malays very competitive on the global scale. For these people having been successful overseas and given a fair go at the opportunities, they will think twice to come home to adversity in Malaysia.
And that is a fact. Do you know that we lose almost 80% of our local talents to the US, UK and Australia every year! Go check the emigration records. Do you know that the Malaysian contingent is the largest oversea students in Australia, and almost 100% that succeeds takes up Australia PR and citizenship?
That is exactly the formula used by many progressive countries including the US, UK, Australia, even China.
These countries have policies that stress both the affirmative action to aid the poor and complement it with an emphasis on high standards, including robbing other countries of their human capital by enticements such as international scholarships.
So I can't understand why it is not palatable or applicable to the malays! Why lay back when you have the world as a challenge.
The failure of the various Malaysia communities to integrate is not because there is no common language, but the ill will festered by the outmoded communal politics that Umno Youth seems want to perpetuate, the NEP, and the lack of Malaysia kinship (e.g. one race want to be tuan).
It is only nature that human beings and animals learn more from failure than success. So, be prepared for a soul cleansing in the next 10 - 20 years in Malaysia.
Yes, the one common denominator is that they are all not Muslim countries. Even among Muslim countries, the less that Islamization is the focus of national existence, the better off the society from a social, political and economic standpoint.
That is why Turkey used to be relatively better off in various aspects compared to other Muslim countries but this has been starting to change recently.
Hate to say it but yes, obsession with Islam is anathema to progress, political stability, peace and economic well being.
We agree that it is difficult to manage a multiracial country like Malaysia with its diverse religions and races. It is also obvious from the discussion that the current political and economic model has failed us, particularly with regards to racial integration.
We are heading towards a crisis. We need to have a paradigm shift in our socio-economic model. Otherwise the omens look bad.
Now humans are humans, be it malays, Japanese or Israelis, when one is in absolute power there will be a tendency to sideline the minorities. Arrogance and abuse will crop in. There is no doubt about it.
To be developed, there should be peace, good sense of responsibilities, equality and cooperation. Of course, good leadership and governance is equally important. Every party should not to be made to feel deprived.
I still feel that mixing religion with politics is not wise - for we can see around the world almost everywhere trouble spots are based on religious differences and in countries where religion is part of politics. That is the reason why Malaysia although a Muslim country should remain secular.
I have the same thoughts. The Islamic peoples, especially the malays, think they are somehow superior because they don't eat pork.
Or reverse, they think the Chinese and other pork eating peoples such as the Americans, Europeans, Japanese etc, are filthy because they eat pork. But the truth is the pork eating peoples are much healthier, wealthier, and overall superior.
The life expectancy of the Japanese is the highest in the world and the Japanese peoples eat a lot of pork. In fact, judging by the life expectancy, the Islamic peoples have the shortest expectancy or the most inferior level of living standard. If this means that they are inferior, then they certainly are.
Maybe as suggested, the malays should copy the Chinese and start eating pork to improve themselves overall. Obviously, not eating pork hasn't helped them to advance.
The malays are a truly hypocrite bunch of people. All this bullshit about the 'freedom of religion' as only appears to apply to anyone but not the malays!
The malays have made Islam such a hated religion with many man-made laws and impositions, all to suit their own convenience, and yet they claim to be 'Islamic' without even practicing the religion as it was intended to be practiced.
If Malaysia only wants Islam, then get rid of all the other races and live truly as 'Malay'sia, and see the country being destroyed by brainless malays monkeys in a matter of one year!
Why can't all races live in harmony? Why must anything that is related to Islam be such a huge contentious issue?
What the hell is the Syariah Court? These so-called Syariah 'lawyers' are a joke to the legal profession. The travesty of justice in Malaysia regarding converts to Islam especially is demeaning and a pathetic joke.
The Federal Court which is the supreme legal authority in Malaysia is 'impotent' against this useless Syariah Court when it comes to matters dealing with conversion! What absolute rubbish!
The malays are nothing but over-zealous hypocrites who don't even understand Islam in the proper context, let alone profess to practice it!
If malays want to progress in the world, you will have to rid the notion of God and your religion. It is your backward religion that is holding you back from every strata.
Look at Muslim countries. They are absolutely backwards in every aspect, living in the most poverty-ridden corners. But when it comes to religion, and building mosques which is half empty always, they build the best ones. Ignoring the poor people who live in shacks.
In Malaysia there is a mosque about every 100km and now they are built along the main streets of all towns. Is it to prove that you are so very religious? You think that every one has only sex in their mind all the time! This is a fault that undermines humans.
Now you have to rid your backward religion and go forward. And you must learn to accept that there is no God but dog.
Malaysia will never achieve developed status, certainly not with the malays. At least Mahathir built two tall structures that got the attention of the world, as he knew that the intellectual 'capabilities' of the malays were as good as a cow in the paddy field, regardless of any kind of miracle!
Despite all that the Malaysia government has been doing for the malays for ages, the malays are still way behind in terms of everything. They are lazy and have become so accustomed to handouts that they refuse to work to earn an honest living.
It is very sad. Why can't all races compete fairly? Remove all the barriers and ensure free competition based on capability and merit, rather than by race. Will that ever happen?
Everything in Malaysia is a joke when it comes to the malays. They are laughed at by everyone in this world for being incompetent, lazy, useless morons.
Be like Raja Petra……….a self-made man to be proud of, also a malay that is objective and can distinguish right from wrong.
If only the malays are a bit smarter, then BN won't win. The problem is malays are too damn stupid that they keep voting for BN. I don't know what poison BN gave to make them in this state.
Interesting article.
The world is rapidly changing, with WTO and globalisation. What is really scary is that many of our Malaysian politicians are still living in the 60s and 70s and have not kept up to the times. They continue to use scare tactics and intimidation.
And let us face the facts; the average malay is just not ready for globalisation. Due to misconstrued policies and handouts, the biggest losers in the globalisation race in Malaysia are unfortunately going to be the malays.
Their solution: Continue fiddling with the wealth redistribution and NEP instead of creation. And the use of scare tactics to prevent any discussion about this.
While the country is gradually slipping down the competitive ladder, the leaders particularly from Umno are playing fiddle.
Smart Malaysians are quietly looking for opportunities to invest overseas or even contemplating emigration.
Nobody wants to be the last passenger to get out in a sinking ship.
Show me when do the malays consult or ever extend their hands in friendship. Do the malays really treat non-malays with equity and fairness?
Seriously, I think all races in Malaysia treat each others at arms length. The malays expect other races to kowtow to them and never the way around. For example, Chinese and Indians were made to learn and study malay culture but the malays are not made to learn and study Chinese and Indian culture.
Why do the malays have to be in a superior position (oppressive one at that) all the time? What is wrong for Malaysia to have, say a Chinese chief justice or an Indian chief of armed forces or even a prime minister!
How do we expect them to continue with their goodwill if we do not ever treat them with equity and fairness? I think the malays are paranoid and are projecting their own insecurity onto others.
That is my point and it is time that we begin to envision the land of ours from an inclusively point of view instead of exclusivity point of view. We have to begin this starting point somehow, somewhere and the time is now.
You are wasting your time by presenting the facts. Fact means nothing to them and you should know that by now. The Malaysian Muslims are seriously stupid and severely retarded. I am simply having fun. I work with them everyday and I cannot describe to you their inability to formulate simple logic.
As an adult trying to make it in the real world, I have developed a clear understanding of what goes on around me.
And this what I believe is the real situation in Malaysia. As long as the malays get their way in how things are done in Malaysia - there will never be any serious development in Malaysia.
This is the fundamental. Please avoid giving example of successful malays, because economically, the numbers are too darn low to mean anything. Negligible they call it.
Malays must realise that as humans - they are I suppose equal. But as peoples, they have attitude that is exactly like the aborigines of Africa. Completely hopeless, no matter what you give them.
The malays can never win - for as long as they chose to do things the way it is done now. Eventually, the other races would consume them economically, and they would be second class citizens. This is a matter of time.
My opinion is - the only way for them to succeed, is to take away all special rights and learn to get by on their own abilities. The stupid and weak malays would die - and only the bright ones would survive.
They are doing themselves a favour by taking away their special rights. Because look around you, the other races are getting stronger because our weak ones are dying.
We will continue to get stronger. And there will be a day, when we control all the financial means in the country. Then it is a matter of buying off each one of you puny malays - and then take over the country.
I am currently studying in the Australia, I grew up with the slogan "Malaysia Truly Asia" - however, this is not true, it seems more like "Australia Truly Asia" and let me explain why I think so - when I first landed here, I saw a multi-cultural society consisting of people from various ethnic backgrounds.
It doesn't even matter if the person has landed on the moon, you will only be awarded if you can prove that you deserve it. Your well being here depends on who you are (your personality), and what you can contribute!
Unlike Malaysia, where opportunities are given to the malays, regardless of what they are worth of. Shame! As a Malaysia citizen myself, I am ashamed to tell fellow Australia citizens that I am from Malaysia, because they all know that people like malays are given privileges.
The malays have no pride in themselves and that is why they will never ever be able to compete on a level playing field. There is so much discrimination among the other races that there is no sense of pride whatsoever in being a Malaysian.
Your eyes are open now because you are in the Australia. That is the difference between a developed country and a third world dump!
Racism in Malaysia is apparent to anyone who has eyes! Malays are just a bunch of cripples who will collapse to the ground if their tongkat is taken away.
Remove their constitutional rights, their 7% discount on houses, their 30% equity in companies, their quota system in public universities etc……….what is left?
Only a bunch of malays begging in gutters or worse, they may have to eat pork to survive!
It is undeniable that malays are stupid, incapable and lazy. Why don't they just humbly admit the facts and repent and learn from other races especially Chinese?
What is the point to argue here and wasting time again?
From the first onwards we were merely telling the truths. It wasn't us who think that way but their own Badawi as well.
All malays should go and read the newspaper, even Badawi is ashamed of maintaining the NEP after 34 years of implementing it and these malay baboons are still asking for it.
Even Badawi wanted them to compete on a level playing field.
So what does all these tell the world? It sends a very clear message that it is malays themselves who are incapable and lazy and they don't even want to admit it and make a change!
That is the biggest shame of all.
Can't you see, it is all back to square one. Year in, year out, some talk for half an hour, some one, some two. Some sing, many belt out their most recent released 'pantun'.
After all. Malays are good at that. Suggestions after suggestions, some good, some impossible to realize.
But, do you see any of these materialised? Hardly. Why, why and why???
Because the malays can never change. Never! Why?
The leaders forgot or were it they simply didn't want to address and admit that the actual disease is the malays and the remedy itself is also, the malays. They can never change. What is it about the malays?
Firstly as you all know, they are a lazy species. Since the beginning of time they have been like that. Even the encyclopedia called them as lazy people. I think those British with their accent tried to call them 'malas', and if you put 'y' in, it becomes 'malays'.
Embracing Islam make them a worse lot. Now they have a license to kill anything that gets into their way.
Malays are ungrateful lot. In reality, they just can't live or open their minds for others. When Mahathir said that they are complacent, they put him in jail. When Mahathir encouraged them to learn English language, they got angry with him, saying it is a 'bahasa penjajah'.
When other races 'maju', they got angry with them too. That was why at the end of Mahathir his regime, he said this, "I have achieved greatness as a prime minister, but I only fail in one thing, changing the malays."
Well, nothing to be surprised about anyway since Mahathir is not really a malay, and I guess that was why the malays were angry with him.
Drug abuse, hate, incest, liberal extremism (culture of miniskirts and gay marriages), murder, parochialism, racism, rape, religious fanaticism, snatch theft, spoilt-bratty behavior, tribalism, wife abuse, child abuse, all that is associated with the malay race.
To them, malay is the biggest impediment towards building a truly Malaysian nation, and should be chucked into the dustbins of history.
A genetically flawed race cannot be fixed by politically. Nature will take its course and globalization will put them out to pasture.
What have we got now?
Brain drain, economic disparity getting wider, poor education system, racial segregation, widespread corruption, inefficiency and uncompetitive on the government departments and others.
Sad. Sad. Sad. The question asked by many of my fellow Chinese is this - Why can't you just tell the malay peoples to adopt Chinese culture which is superior?
From research, this peninsular was part of the Siamese empire way before these malays from Indonesia invaded it.
Still so thick skin, don't want to go back to Indonesia!
Zzzz ... same comments everywhere ... Malaysia will collapsed without the non-Malays, the country will go to the dogs, blah, blah,...One person even have the cheek to say because "Malays voted BN". WAKE-UP! Not all Malays like what is happening in Malaysia now (what's happening to the people irrespective of race, religion, creed or color). In 1999, the swing was by the Malays voting for the opposition in big numbers; my sister, who did not dream ever to vote for DAP, voted DAP in 1999 to ensure the opposition win (I suggest see Malaysia Today, it is more balanced than Malaysiakini). The non-Malays, typically the Chinese, that spoiled the chance for a change. Don't complain; reap what you sow. Back to the drawing board - again!
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